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jeff fultz's avatar

Richard! so true! Fink is a globalist Ford Foundation creature. And sorry Oren, but he will not change, he has gotten too much power, and too much money from this system. These old neo con globalist, libertarian, "Free Trade" yea right free trade whatever types will have to die out for there to be true change. They cannot change. Around 2030 these old types will be gone then new systems that benefit the USA can emerge.

Fink and all the rest are starting to do a "Jake Tapper" go chameleon and change their colors. These guys are sneaky fast and very manipulative. Why they do so well. Scary people to me.

I just worry that in the last 25 years especially our educational system has been so damaged and warped we have not produced the leaders for tomorrow that will be needed for this fight. I believe leaders are made not born. Leaders are products of a society and culture. They are made.

Your show with Rubio and Vance gave me hope. Not something I feel much these days when I hear celebrities and politicians talk. They were great and you did a great job with them. Thank you. Keep up the great work there.

Your republican party I will join!

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Richard's avatar

Don't trust Fink. Trust but verify

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Perspective's avatar

Of course Cass has to preserve his relationship with Vance; it's too valuable to correct Vance in public. But note that Vance was lying when he said Biden's admin didn't understand the US supply chain vulnerabilities. There are multiple sources, but the key fact is this: Shortly after taking office, President Biden issued Executive Order 14017, “America’s Supply Chains,” on February 24, 2021, which directed federal agencies to assess vulnerabilities in critical supply chains and provide recommendations for strengthening them. And the findings of that analysis led to the Chips act and multiple infrastructure and job creation programs... which are only now just beginning to help many Red States - because it takes years to create factories and supply chains.

Now, the PRIOR Trump admin didn't understand that stuff, or even take the Obama admin turnover briefings, but pointing out that Trump cratered the economy with his handling of COVID doesn't move us forward.

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Karl's avatar
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If Oren is anointing them as representing the party after Don, it's fair to ask who these people are at their core. What do they really believe? What animates them? What is their character, assuming anyone in my former party still cares about character... Little Marco has literally repudiated everything that defined him through his Senate service and presidential campaign. JD has been worse, having morphed from hillbilly to reformed Ivy League elite to hillbilly critic to rich Peter Thiel venture capital/techno bro to anti-Don truth teller to full on angry maga firebrand. He parrots Don's big lie, and actually said he would not have certified the 2020 election, placing fealty to his dear leader above the constitution. Who can forget him describing Don as "cultural heroin", "total fraud", "moral disaster", and possibly "Americas Hitler". His newfound maga stances directly contradict the thesis of his book. By chance I actually passed through Springfield Ohio this week, home to JD's Haitian pet eating lies. That reminded me of what he did shortly thereafter-gaslighting rural North Carolinians regarding emergency relief after they'd lost everything in a devastating flood. What kind of human being treats fellow human beings in this way just to gain political power? Lying to the people he purports to stand for, when they're in crisis, shows a special level of meanness and disdain.

Oren clearly chooses to believe JD, even now. I'll stick with Maya Angelou's admonition: "when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." Is it really too much to ask leaders of prominent think tanks to tell the truth? To put country over fundraising and career advancement? Or will Oren follow JD and Little Marco, and sell his soul?

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Answers:

A. "What kind of human being treats fellow human beings in this way just to gain political power?" JD VANCE, AMONG OTHERS

B. "Or will Oren follow JD and Little Marco, and sell his soul? " Can't predict that, but one could argue that you have to stay in touch and have a dialog in order to change their minds. So I'm giving Cass some slack here. Hey, JD could be POTUS sooner than we realize...

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Karl's avatar

Good points all, and I hear you, although I don’t recall a sitting prez or veep with this level of depravity. If JD and Little Marco have already compromised their integrity to this level, is it really realistic that a pinheaded economist will change their minds on anything of consequence? Time will tell, but since they’re both willing to defend Don’s armed insurrection and the big lie, Oren shouldn’t hold his breath in the naive hope they actually care about the voters they consistently lie to. Meanwhile, we need to keep putting the truth in front of enablers like Oren and the rest of the current Republican establishment as best we can. I’m tired of his meaningless battles with fellow elites from the prior establishment, the one excommunicated a decade ago. Don, MAGA, Oren, and the “new” right ARE the establishment for the foreseeable future. It’s time they man up and take responsibility for what’s happening on their watch, not deflect by whining about the past. Oren bought the ticket, now he’s gonna take the ride. He’s an equity investor:) But hey, I gotta go, it’s dinner time. I spit roasted a golden retriever we picked up from some brown people in Springfield this week!

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I guess my hopes for Oren are lower; merely that he will lay a foundation for "real" economics and undermine the justification of policies that don't work - on both sides. I don't expect him to fix corruption in this administration.

I was amused by Vance's concluding comments - sounding all righteous and helpful while they tax the poor and reward the rich.

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When JD and Little Marco assume the mantle from the father of the "new" right, Don, I wonder which identity they will pick? Their current version, or the one when they told the truth about Don, prior to their self-gelding? And where will Elon fit? Here's hoping someone new emerges, someone with character. I'm tired of the incessant lying from the current Republican establishment, aren't y'all? Young men today need credible role models, not these chodes. Of course, this all assumes that the father of the "new" right willingly gives up power this time...frankly it’s hard to see him giving up the best paying job he’s ever held. Meme coin anyone?

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A. K. Bell's avatar

Sorry we are mostly focused on this ATM. 🤣😂🤣

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Brettbaker's avatar

How did the editors not using "Ahoy, Matey" get through the hiring process?

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