He’s made some choices I wouldn’t have made but then Trump wouldn’t have selected him as VP nominee. He did what he did to get where he got. And now he has a voice. He won’t have to certify an election because he won’t be a sitting VP.
In four years, Trump is gone. He knows that and then he won’t have to play this game. And then he can wo…
He’s made some choices I wouldn’t have made but then Trump wouldn’t have selected him as VP nominee. He did what he did to get where he got. And now he has a voice. He won’t have to certify an election because he won’t be a sitting VP.
In four years, Trump is gone. He knows that and then he won’t have to play this game. And then he can work on the agenda Oren talks about. A lot of people get this.
On Springfield, he believed it and when it became clear it wasn’t so, he rightly said it immigration issues are still a real thing harming people. Except for the election stuff, the examples you cite can easily be applied to the other side. It’s typical politics. And I’ve explained why he has to follow the election line he’s taking, which is obvious.
What’s disgusting is an establishment that has devastated working class communities through inept policies and then 100% blames it on them, claiming it is their own dysfunction.
I just have to add, I belly laugh when I see talk here of "the establishment". Isn't anyone self aware enough to realize that Don IS the establishment? The "establishment" you're referencing was purged from the party years ago. Don and JD won, you won, you ARE the establishment. As you said, JD "has to follow the election line he's taking, which is obvious". On this we agree, it is indeed obvious. Sadly...
Hmm, seems I recall much talk about “establishment” republicans vs a “new” conservative movement. JD is a new conservative in the mold of 3 time nominee Don Trump. They dominate the party. The former establishment conservatives have been kicked out for failing to bend the knee to Don. As you accurately pointed out, JD self-gelded purely as a tactic to gain power. He believes little of what he says, he just easily slips in with Don. He’s defending an insurrectionist, and gaslighting the least fortunate among us, all in plain view. Im happy you have a leader to believe in. I’ll keep looking.
Ah I see, it's a "game". Let's leave aside your point that all politicians would blatantly lie about available disaster aid to poor people who have just lost everything, while simultaneously preening about how they are a savior of said folks. Or that "he believed" the Springfield lie, when in fact he was called out by an R mayor and governor and caused bomb threats and violence that closed schools, city buildings, etc, on top of cravenly demeaning the human beings who were targeted. One might even say he "devastated that working class community"... Your argument is: "Except for the election stuff"... Hmmm, so now it's ok to treat the peaceful transfer of power, which is the bedrock of our republic, as a "game" in order to gain personal political power is? Really? You're sticking with that? Call me crazy, but I think he's defending the most cowardly and harmful act ever committed by a US president, just to gain power. Again, count me out, character matters to me. PS, I hear Don has bibles, coins, and fancy watches for sale, oh so fitting for these grifters.
I understand. I’m just saying that to me, character matters. There are so many examples of JD’s dissembling it’s hard to pick one, though his flip flop on Don is pretty delicious. But I have to say, blatantly lying to desperate people who have lost everything, knowing it will harm them more in very real ways, jumps the shark, no? And ironically, the folks in Appalachia are “his people”, or so he told us. What kind of human being can do that? When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time…
He’s made some choices I wouldn’t have made but then Trump wouldn’t have selected him as VP nominee. He did what he did to get where he got. And now he has a voice. He won’t have to certify an election because he won’t be a sitting VP.
In four years, Trump is gone. He knows that and then he won’t have to play this game. And then he can work on the agenda Oren talks about. A lot of people get this.
On Springfield, he believed it and when it became clear it wasn’t so, he rightly said it immigration issues are still a real thing harming people. Except for the election stuff, the examples you cite can easily be applied to the other side. It’s typical politics. And I’ve explained why he has to follow the election line he’s taking, which is obvious.
What’s disgusting is an establishment that has devastated working class communities through inept policies and then 100% blames it on them, claiming it is their own dysfunction.
I just have to add, I belly laugh when I see talk here of "the establishment". Isn't anyone self aware enough to realize that Don IS the establishment? The "establishment" you're referencing was purged from the party years ago. Don and JD won, you won, you ARE the establishment. As you said, JD "has to follow the election line he's taking, which is obvious". On this we agree, it is indeed obvious. Sadly...
Hmm, seems I recall much talk about “establishment” republicans vs a “new” conservative movement. JD is a new conservative in the mold of 3 time nominee Don Trump. They dominate the party. The former establishment conservatives have been kicked out for failing to bend the knee to Don. As you accurately pointed out, JD self-gelded purely as a tactic to gain power. He believes little of what he says, he just easily slips in with Don. He’s defending an insurrectionist, and gaslighting the least fortunate among us, all in plain view. Im happy you have a leader to believe in. I’ll keep looking.
I mean the elites who have institutional control of the country. Come on. Corporate, educational, media, etc.
Ah I see, it's a "game". Let's leave aside your point that all politicians would blatantly lie about available disaster aid to poor people who have just lost everything, while simultaneously preening about how they are a savior of said folks. Or that "he believed" the Springfield lie, when in fact he was called out by an R mayor and governor and caused bomb threats and violence that closed schools, city buildings, etc, on top of cravenly demeaning the human beings who were targeted. One might even say he "devastated that working class community"... Your argument is: "Except for the election stuff"... Hmmm, so now it's ok to treat the peaceful transfer of power, which is the bedrock of our republic, as a "game" in order to gain personal political power is? Really? You're sticking with that? Call me crazy, but I think he's defending the most cowardly and harmful act ever committed by a US president, just to gain power. Again, count me out, character matters to me. PS, I hear Don has bibles, coins, and fancy watches for sale, oh so fitting for these grifters.
Never voted for him. Voted for McMullin, then Biden but will now because of Vance.
I understand. I’m just saying that to me, character matters. There are so many examples of JD’s dissembling it’s hard to pick one, though his flip flop on Don is pretty delicious. But I have to say, blatantly lying to desperate people who have lost everything, knowing it will harm them more in very real ways, jumps the shark, no? And ironically, the folks in Appalachia are “his people”, or so he told us. What kind of human being can do that? When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time…